Listen in on our conversation as we reminisce on our unique parenting journey, inspired significantly by the homeschooling success of our dear friend. We talk about our decision to shun daycare and provide a home-based education, actively seeking out a homeschool curriculum, and becoming integral parts of our children's upbringing.
Growing up with a strict disciplinarian mother and an absent father, I, Patricia, found myself becoming more reserved and practical. On this parenting journey, with my husband's unwavering support, while raising our children I've had to redefine my parenting style. I learned how to confront and handle my insecurities, how to re-evaluate my responses in real time, and how my father's absence inspired me to be more involved, all adding up to a more secure home environment.
Raising three distinct individuals is no small feat! We chat about the challenges and joys of bonding over sports and electronics and the profound effect of a mother's discipline and transparency. We also share our belief in the vital role of a shared spiritual foundation in marriage and our aspiration to reflect God's heart to others.
Join us for this heartwarming and enlightening conversation about faith, parenting, and homeschooling.
Listen in on our conversation as we reminisce on our unique parenting journey, inspired significantly by the homeschooling success of our dear friend. We talk about our decision to shun daycare and provide a home-based education, actively seeking out a homeschool curriculum, and becoming integral parts of our children's upbringing.
Growing up with a strict disciplinarian mother and an absent father, I, Patricia, found myself becoming more reserved and practical. On this parenting journey, with my husband's unwavering support, while raising our children I've had to redefine my parenting style. I learned how to confront and handle my insecurities, how to re-evaluate my responses in real time, and how my father's absence inspired me to be more involved, all adding up to a more secure home environment.
Raising three distinct individuals is no small feat! We chat about the challenges and joys of bonding over sports and electronics and the profound effect of a mother's discipline and transparency. We also share our belief in the vital role of a shared spiritual foundation in marriage and our aspiration to reflect God's heart to others.
Join us for this heartwarming and enlightening conversation about faith, parenting, and homeschooling.
May God bless you and make you prosperous in Him as you listen and obey His voice!
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
The vision received was that of blood cells traveling throughout the body, supplying the much needed oxygen and other nutrients to the differing members of the body to fulfill their purpose. Once the blood cells are spent, they must return back to the heart to be refilled before being sent out again and fulfill their purpose.
Lydia:
So I guess to close the podcast based on everything that was said but also based on my eldest
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
is going to close the podcast. guys, everybody ready?
Lydia:
I'm not really closing it to you guys, these questions, but I compiled a list of general questions just in experience of being a child being raised under the principles that you guys have outlined in this book. So some of them have to do explicitly with the book and some of them maybe not so much but are biblical principles that you guys kind of had or convictions you may have had. So first question is for those of you who have been listening to the podcast, you know that our parents decided to homeschool us. So, on behalf of the children, we would like to ask you what specifically was the reason or reasons that you all decided to homeschool? Was it based on your past experiences as kids lack of funding for private schools? Was it a desire to be close with us? Was it your personal experience, dad, with the public school system and your mom as well? We'd like to know what were your reasons.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Are you representing all of your siblings?
Lydia:
Yes, They asked for this question. I mean, we've already talked about it.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
It wasn't my idea, it wasn't at all, it was really, it was all on your mom, and so I'm going to let her say how that came about.
Patricia:
I was around a community church where there was a lot of families that were homeschooling, and that was the time that I was coming into the faith and I saw the product of how things were going. And that was years before right, because I didn't meet your dad till seven years. After that experience, but when I had begun my new career of teaching, I saw how much it consumed me And I just told him that I had thought about it a lot. When I was pregnant and I desired to homeschool because, rather than me teach and put you guys in a daycare and let someone else take care of you and let someone else raise you and teach you, I thought I could do it. I could.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Let me ask a question and clarification, because I don't remember the details I remember, you can correct me if I'm wrong, because my memory is not always accurate, especially over 20 years ago. But I remember correctly, you were pregnant. The first thing that you told me was you wanted to be home. You didn't want to teach and have someone else taking care of your child.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
There really wasn't a talk of right but not of homeschooling. That didn't come till years later, But the initial was I just want to be home and I want to raise my own child. Because, that was an answer prayer, by the way.
Patricia:
The Lord was blessing me and my vision of my life is that I wanted to do my life biblical. My previous life I was not and I had asked the Lord for an opportunity to rebuild and that was one of the things that. That was a desire of my heart, and your dad honored and upheld me in that.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
But that is the address homeschooling.
Patricia:
Well, the homeschooling came, as it was a topic of conversation.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
It became one. afterward, I thought that she was. I think I thought that she was going to go back to work. I think maybe after the first year with you, maybe when you got pregnant again, which was 18 months later, because John you know, yeah, she then mentioned and it wasn't a surprise to me, but she then mentioned the idea of homeschooling.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
And the reason why it wasn't a surprise to me because she's, you know, her best bestie friends was was Debbie and Debbie homeschooled And I knew about. I knew about Debbie from a distance. They were at our wedding. But I had heard a lot about it because they were, I mean, best friends, kind of like a spiritual mom, spiritual big sister, something like that. So it wasn't a surprise to me that she wanted to do it, because Debbie had done it with her children.
Patricia:
But also to I do remember that when she was little I found some community. I was always able to find things free community where I took her once a week to that, to the teachers that were doing the. You know we sang along and sat around.
Lydia:
Oh, yeah, and I really enjoyed that.
Patricia:
I love doing that. And we did little activities with you guys. And then I just, I think we started. We went to a homeschool conference, I think, or we, yes, we went to one in Orlando because we wanted to see one year old. No, probably two or three. Oh, okay, okay, We wanted to see, right when she was, when she was going to be a pre K, that's when we started okay, okay, because we went to see the curriculum.
Patricia:
We wanted to put our hands on it. We wanted to make, you know, wise decisions. I had also taken them. I was very active with them. I took them to VBS. We did a lot of active activities.
Patricia:
My park group and some of them were talking about homeschooling. That was the other thing. The people that I hung out with I met one in a lactation thing And then it was just all of a sudden. I think God just brought together this group of people and they weren't all Christians, but they all had the desire to raise. We wanted to raise you guys. So it was Miss Jody and Helen and Magda was the core group. There were other people that came in and out, so that was part of it.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
So, yeah, there was multiple things that kind of happened all at the same time, a lot of people that were sort of going in that vein also, and so that helped reinforce her wanting to go in that direction.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
I said another podcast in her testimony that she mentioned it to me and I was like, are you sure you can do that? Because I thought, yeah, they got to go to school. Homeschooling was very alien to me, very foreign to me, and at the time I knew some of the scriptures but I never What was I focusing on homeschooling or anything like that. So that you know, during my Christian upbringing in different Christian schools that wasn't really emphasized to me. But I was okay with it. Number one, because I trusted the support that she had from Debbie. Debbie seemed to be very well versed, very knowledgeable and had a lot of different ideas and seemed to just know a lot. So it wasn't like she was going at it with nobody to help her. She had somebody to help her. Then she started getting involved in the co-ops and the parents getting together And I was like, well, okay, you know, my private issue was the money.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
I was like boy it'd be nice to have the two in come family here, you know. But you know she wants to do this And I think my concern was is she going to be able to do it and do it well? And then when she did, and she did it, I mean I had to go through all of her insecurities And if she's doing it right, she's doing it well enough, and we had to go through all that. But then when they took you guys took your standardized tests it was like, yeah, every day.
Patricia:
You know, in the academics.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
You're hanging out with friends at the parks, you're going on field trips to this place and that place, and she's finding cheap ways to do it and saving money. I'm like, well, sure, go go for it And I'll come home and see how everybody's doing And then we'll go out and play and stuff like that. So it became a non-issue. Now, at that time I didn't realize how biblical it was. I did not understand the biblical principles of that is what she's supposed to be doing as a mother, as a homemaker, that I mean, raising your kids and training them up in the knowledge of the Lord is not just for her, it's also for me as well. So I was like I felt like you know, we called it a Dean, what do we call it? Of the, of the, our father's heart school, what was it? That was the principal.
Patricia:
Is that what we said? Oh?
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
okay, But I realized that was like an overseer.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
I was like you know the bishop just overseer, make sure everything's going, But she was the one actively involved in doing And then I would just step in every once in a while. You know, become a part of this project or that project or this field trip or something like that. And so it was just fun And it was. There was nothing really negative involved other than having to hear from other people. Are you sure about that? Are they getting their social relation and all this other stuff?
Patricia:
And I'm like I think they are. You know, miss Yvette, I believe, went that vein. My cousin Annie because she was watching up close and personal, and miss Yvette when she tested y'all because she was the one who did the testing. She's like your children are brilliant. You know, I just remember how impressed she was And you know I didn't do the curriculum she did, which is a more she was a school psychologist, right Yeah, she had been a teacher.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
All the testing for us early on for you guys, the testing.
Patricia:
So yeah, it was some.
Lydia:
Next question Yes, what were factors in your own life or upbringing that you felt brought difficulties to parenting your children, such as distance or lack of connection with one child over another or personality expectation clashes? Because, as you guys said multiple times throughout the podcast, there are moments where you guys weren't perfect or your children they weren't perfect either. There were difficult stages. So what would you say were factors in your own life or upbringing that may have contributed, i guess, to some of those difficulties or that you see now, oh, maybe this is why this was happening this way in retrospect, I can speak for me.
Patricia:
My mom was a disciplinarian And I valued some of the results of her. She was very disciplinary with me. There was sort of an injustice there with I was a girl, so expectations were different, but the product was different too for that reason. So that was one, and then another was I was very insecure, very insecure. I changed, I shifted careers to become a teacher. I really only did about a year and a half of that, even though I did the master's program where I was doing a lot of interning and teaching and settings and stuff. So I was very he wasn't wrong. I was very insecure in what I was doing with y'all And I had to have the constant affirmation of you know, which presented challenges, especially with one of my children, was very stubborn And so he already gave it away.
Patricia:
He's made things very difficult because he was the child that if he said, don't stand by the tree with the ants, and next you turn around and he's practically climbing the tree full of ants And I'm just like, oh, my goodness, you know stuff like that, i would let my prior responses kick in, and so I had to do a lot of soul searching and a lot of God helping me to overcome that, just the that and feeling insecure with anyone, because we have a lot of people that questioned what we were doing. So I was always having to battle that and what would always set it or solidify it me well Debbie for me was always a very strong mentor and voice. But if I was sure that Jay was on the same page with me then I would be okay. If I wasn't sure, because we hadn't had time to talk and maybe somebody on a car ride downloaded all the reasons why we should in homeschool and he didn't say a word.
Patricia:
So then right away I thought, oh my God, he agrees with him. And you know, I did. I miss you, Lord, you know. So that caused all kinds of stuff in me And then I remember that was a whole day of torture. And then when he got home from work we had to sit down through a lot of tears on my part And it was like, no, that we're doing, we, this is what we decided and this is what we're going to continue doing. So that that that was. Those were some of the things like. I don't know if that answered your question.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Yeah, initially I didn't know what to say And I think I figured out something. I think living with my mom for the most part obviously shaped my personality or the way that I am in some way, and only seeing my dad in the summers also shaped it. When I think back on on childhood, i think I am hesitant to do new things or to be creative in things. In other words, i see in my son he always liked to work with his hands. We had to grab everything. That's the way he learned And I know I kind of noticed that early on. That that's just how he learns. It's not he's trying to aggravate me, aggravate everyone. It's just he needs to grab things, he needs to hold them, he needs to touch them. He was very excruciatingly tactile But since I didn't have my father in my life in a greater extent, I didn't have a lot of experiences building things working with my hands, and I wish I did, because my son was so tactile and he loved making things at Home Depot I think you guys too, you know and we brought those in and we tried to foster that in him.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
But I wasn't raised with a high risk mentality. I think it's because I just lacked having someone that would encourage me in that. So I'm more reserved. I think that's why I'm more calculating with probably everything. I count the cost for everything, and I don't mean monetarily, I just mean like if I'm going to go with that, I'm going to go with everything, but if I don't feel like I can do it, then I don't want to fail And so not taking that risk. See, there are some. Sometimes we're bent in a certain way and sometimes things can be conditioned in us and formed in us, and I think because I never had someone there that could watch me do stuff and watch me do stuff and watch me be a little bit risky like John. I don't think I've ever done this, but John went up on a tree on his own.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Freaked mom out. I don't think I ever did something like that. You wouldn't find me co-climbing up a tree and being risky like that, you know, because I didn't have my dad there to kind of watch me. Where you know, mom, stereotypically moms are like, oh, be careful, be careful, and dads are like I let him fall, he'll learn. You know, I didn't have my dad there. I didn't have my dad there for that. He was there, but he was just distant, and so my risks might have been throwing a baseball and catching a baseball, and so I'm comfortable with that because I've experienced that.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Or handball, paddleball off a wall, for some reason that, oh man, I remember trying to beat my dad and paddleball for years and years and years. He would always beat me. That created a competitive desire of me. I wanted that, but I got that from my uncles. I'm trying to think of where did I get masculine stuff fostered in me? I got it from my uncles as well.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
I remember always playing with ish, my cousin Chidio speedy. We'd be playing football in the streets and the cars would be our little. You know, run, run and cut it out and catch a ball. Or doing it in a parking lot. I remember, you know, Ish threw me a ball. I had to catch it over my head, which was very, you know, a lot. A lot of people do they usually turn around, start running backwards to catch a ball. With my uncle I learned to run forward, to trust running forward and look back for a ball while still running full speed. So in a parking lot I did that, caught the ball and went straight down into the concrete. I scratched up all my forearm. I mean it was just totally. But I held onto the ball.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
My uncle was like wow, why he was all on me, and so that created a sports, athletic, competitive proudness, you know, and I'm not pride like bad pride, but just wow, look at what you did. You know kind of have that other thing, um. So I leaned more toward being involved in sports with all of you guys. That that that's like a non-issue for me. But if you want me to fix a dishwasher, a dryer, i'm very hesitant to do that Cause I don't well. Number one I don't want to spend the money to go fix it and then not be able to do it and then have to pay more money to fix what I couldn't do or what I messed up, so I don't like spending more money. I wish, but my son is like that. Now did I do it with computers.
Lydia:
Yeah.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
I built a computer on my own. No one taught me to do that, i actually ventured out, and so that was like something I can kind of deal with the risk, even though, honestly speaking, i installed a motherboard and had to replace it three times because I didn't realize that if you don't put something on on on the frame of the casing you could short out the motherboard. So I kept shorting out the motherboard when I put it on, cause I didn't have this little plastic piece that needed to be between the motherboard and the casing or else it would short it. And so I kept replacing it and saying, hey, you sent me a bad motherboard, i want a new one, and fighting with that to get a new motherboard. I got another one And I did, and then I realized through my all my readings what's going on. Oh, i'm shorting it because of the carpet and whatever. So I did that And and and that was a step out for me.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
But I noticed there are things like house things. I didn't learn how to change oil in a car until pastor well taught me how to change the oil. Oil in a car, drain it, change the oil filter. I didn't learn that from my dad. So hands on stuff. I didn't really learn from any right. Nobody taught me hands off stuff. I wish I had someone to teach me hands off and to be more comfortable with fixing things in the house. I've had to kind of take risk and not electrocute myself by changing a wall outlet or something. I mean I literally put a timer on the water heater downstairs.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
That was a big risk for me And I had to go back and forth to home people And I was so upset because then I, you know, i want to make sure I can get this water heater on, or I'm going to hear about it. We don't have any water in the house and blah, blah, blah. And same thing happened with this thermostat. I started it at seven o'clock at night. I think I finished till nine or 10 o'clock at night because it threw me off. No, no, no, seven to 10 o'clock And I thought we weren't going to have AC and then I was going to have to hear from her and her because they were in the house and they went to sleep.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
But I got it going, thank God, thank God, you know. So I'm very hesitant to do the housework like that because I never had someone to teach me and then it made me comfortable with doing that And so because I didn't have that I think you were kind of linking my experiences with how we raised you, because I didn't have that I don't feel like I fostered that in John. But then again I look at John, i'm like he didn't need any foster, he was just like perfectly on his own. He would take risk. He didn't care, he didn't care.
Lydia:
So did you feel like that because of that experience, lack of it caused the disconnect in that specific aspect of his life? Because, you guys, he just had that in him.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
No, because I didn't. I don't believe I faulted him for being hands on in all of that. Are you frustrated? Our issues came, yeah, but our issues came with other things, Gotcha.
Patricia:
He's different. He's not. You and your dad are very organized, and John probably is more like me. They're just going to get done Well.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
I think our yes, I can say this, and I think we would both agree. I think our biggest issues with John was I think he was intellectually smarter than all three of you, but he had a lackadaisical attitude that drove me nuts. And he would settle for mediocrity when he could have been up there in the A range. That drove me nuts.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
You don't just settle. And we were constantly battling with him, trying to get him to give me your best paper, give me your best, you know, whatever effort and whatever it is that you're doing. But he had that attitude like well, if I'm not going to be the best, I'm going to go even slower on that ride a bike, bicycle And that that drove me nuts. So it wasn't that, he was tactile, I didn't mind that. I didn't mind that he was in technology because I was into technology. It's just not being able to trust him with that technology to do right in using that technology, and then having to go out of my way to make sure that we're secure in the house And we got the things checking this and that, And. But no, no, i didn't fault him for that.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
It was one of the things that I learned in raising all three of you that all three of you were different And we couldn't raise you the same. We couldn't expect the same from either one of you And although in your eyes at the time you might have thought it was being unfair, no, it was trying to treat you as individuals, because you were bent in different ways. You were strong in different ways, you were weak in different ways And yeah, no, i, i was actually. I mean, i'm proud of where he is gone, where he's able to fix, you know, cell phones and laptops and do all of these things. And I think I had building his own and I think I had a hand in that, because I think he saw me build that computer. So maybe that fostered in him the desire to want to do that, or maybe already had it, who knows. But I was risky and more athletic things. I don't remember climbing trees, i don't know, i don't remember.
Lydia:
Yeah, Part of the reason that question. I kind of brought it out this because I think at different moments in time, depending on personality and whatnot, but also stages in life, parents, they may be experiencing it now here in this podcast, but they might have clashes with certain children on others and wonder what they're doing wrong.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Yeah, why.
Lydia:
And sometimes it is the personality, sometimes it is what you had in the past may affect what you can provide then and there. So for example, for you you mentioned sports. You were big on sports and that was one thing that in our house I could do it and I did fine in sports. but that wasn't I knew I wasn't going to go into it. in college You bonded so much with Deborah over sports because she was the one who was super athletically inclined and that drives to catch up to us to play with the older kids was in her. And then one of the things where you didn't connect so well with John was through sports, because John was just not. He doesn't.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Well, john, john took it very lackadaisical, whereas you and Deborah were very serious. When you got into it, you were serious and you excel. Where John was, just like he would be just hanging out with the other boys and they'd be laughing and cutting up and they wouldn't be paying attention, they wouldn't practice, and they went to where it got to the point where, like, okay, i'm not, i'm not, i'm just, i'm going to work with who wants to work with you. You just want to just, i don't know frolic around with the guys and, you know, hit each other and just be, you know, goofy, yes, goofy, fine. And then I wouldn't put that on him. I don't think I did. I may have tried to early on, but I realized at some point that it's not just, it's not his thing. Right, and that's fine And that's fine With him.
Lydia:
You connected with the. I'm glad you brought the electronics because you guys did bond over electronics. That was your thing. And then we, deborah and I, were not at all with that And then with mom, also had similar moments where mom may have bonded with certain, like, for example I know, for me I was not a girly girl. I know, and I am so sorry for this, but I gave mom such a hard time shopping for me, because I was not.
Patricia:
I was trying to make you a girly girl, i was just trying to get you to get close But for example girl.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Girl meaning usually girly girls are love to go
Patricia:
shopping, but she doesn't love to go shopping at all. She's like me. She wants to go in for one thing. get the one thing, get out, That's it. Just sit down on the floor and refuse to even look at anything. It's like, oh my God. I was like, yeah, that was for sure.
Lydia:
Because we can laugh about this now, recognizing that these were stages and past them For the most part. if there's anything that we had to dress later on, we have. But it's just as an example for anyone listening, because they might look at us and see the product and think, wow look at how great how perfect. Oh, no, no.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Well, we had a lot of We felt the same way with our previous pastor and his family.
Patricia:
We did, we would watch. We were like wow they're just like Christine and blah, blah, blah.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
But then as we got to walk with them and they're like oh, okay, so they do struggle through stuff and they do have to wrastle with their kids about certain things and that Or moms, I told moms.
Patricia:
I have told moms, if you have any doubts, call me, because I'm pretty transparent and I'm not going to tell you that everything was perfect. I remember one time when we I went to go get a Cuban bread and I went in and I told you guys to wait in the car and then all of a sudden you and Deborah decided you need to go to the bathroom, but you reassured me that John was waiting in the car because I left the car on and then John decided he didn't want to wait in the car by himself.
Patricia:
So he locked the door and locked us out of the car and I was so frustrated, I was so mad because then we had to call your father to work because this was in the middle of the day to come and unlock us out of the car. And I would, I remember talking to Miss Althea. I was talking on the way home because I was furious, I was filming, I wanted to kill y'all.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
We as fuming, as I was when John left the water on in this house.
Patricia:
And then she started laughing. She goes Oh, i remember when one of my children I won't say the name to uncover him drove past the you know the place where he drove us, off the side of the hill, You know when he was driving, and she said I was going stop, stop, stop. Then I'm flying in the car and I'm like okay, that's not his bed. He's locking the keys in the car And you know that moment of a mom or that I thought was like perfect, kind of letting me know. No, we had our moments in our house, or you know, remembering, i think one time I came to visit that family and one of the children had driven the car through the garage. She hit the accelerator instead of the brake and they had just made this new addition to the house and all of that got wrecked. And you know it was, it was a big thing, you know, and they were describing how the whole reaction of the parents were and laughing about it after the fact. But all those things keep it real.
Patricia:
So that is a good question, because there are challenges that we could do everything right by the book, you know, raising you the way the Bible says. Of course we're going to have our little problems because we're not perfect And things are not going to turn out very good. But what I always say is we have our brothers and sisters that have walked this, the ones that are yet to walk this, and we have our relationship with God, who calls us back to Him When we feel like we have messed up. How many people in the Bible do we not see What did they do? The ones that were after God's heart? they cried out to the Lord.
Patricia:
So that is always our default. But, yes, it can be discouraging when we have And you know, i tell my friends or moms I had three strong willed children. My children were. All three of you were very strong willed in your own way. You were stubborn in your own way. Do you remember when somebody did something here and it took them a whole day to fess up, you know, to putting the lock on the garage and you breaking that whole day or a night took a whole trip to church right.
Patricia:
And back in the silence and everyone do you better tell and you know whatever and all that. that was excruciatingly painful, or there were times when nobody ever confessed to certain things that happened in this house.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
I still have a stain in that carpet over there that no one has fessed up to And I know someone dropped some Clorox or something on the carpet because it's white And it's supposed to be red.
Patricia:
So we yes, we have those moments and that our own way of being are bent, but we balance husband and wife, balance each other out, hopefully, that's if you follow the Lord in his leading and you are, you're equally yoked. That is one of the challenges that you can overcome together and you'll still have adversity with each other, but iron sharpening iron is not fun, but it's better when you know that God called you to that relationship and then we can both come to the same place. The same conclusion on our children.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
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