Parenting in a world that's increasingly leaning on technology can shake even the most steadfast. As a reassuring beacon of support, we, your hosts, provide insights on managing the challenging dynamics between parents and children, particularly concerning tech and social media usage. Disrupting the traditional disciplinary methods, we bring you a fresh perspective on adjusting parenting methods, staying consistent, and driving effective decision-making.
Navigating societal pressures and criticisms can be overwhelming as a parent - especially when those accusations involve manipulating your child's thoughts and values. It's essential to stay true to biblical values and principles. We explore this delicate terrain, addressing your children's feelings of manipulation, and providing a roadmap toward leading them to their destiny in Christ.
As children develop and mature, their perspective matures and so does their understanding of your intentions. It's hard not to feel hurt when they question your decisions and values, but don't be discouraged. We take you through identifying the difference between a willful rebel and a stray child and hopefully provide counsel and advice on managing disagreements while holding firm to biblical principles.
So, buckle up as we steer through these tricky terrains of parenting in a technologically advanced world, always under the watchful and patient eye of our heavenly Father, Jesus.
Parenting in a world that's increasingly leaning on technology can shake even the most steadfast. As a reassuring beacon of support, we, your hosts, provide insights on managing the challenging dynamics between parents and children, particularly concerning tech and social media usage. Disrupting the traditional disciplinary methods, we bring you a fresh perspective on adjusting parenting methods, staying consistent, and driving effective decision-making.
Navigating societal pressures and criticisms can be overwhelming as a parent - especially when those accusations involve manipulating your child's thoughts and values. It's essential to stay true to biblical values and principles. We explore this delicate terrain, addressing your children's feelings of manipulation, and providing a roadmap toward leading them to their destiny in Christ.
As children develop and mature, their perspective matures and so does their understanding of your intentions. It's hard not to feel hurt when they question your decisions and values, but don't be discouraged. We take you through identifying the difference between a willful rebel and a stray child and hopefully provide counsel and advice on managing disagreements while holding firm to biblical principles.
So, buckle up as we steer through these tricky terrains of parenting in a technologically advanced world, always under the watchful and patient eye of our heavenly Father, Jesus.
May God bless you and make you prosperous in Him as you listen and obey His voice!
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
The vision received was that of blood cells traveling throughout the body, supplying the much needed oxygen and other nutrients to the differing members of the body to fulfill their purpose. Once the blood cells are spent, they must return back to the heart to be refilled before being sent out again and fulfill their purpose.
Lydia:
Okay, so piggybacking off of that.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Yeah, what does she got for us?
Lydia:
Yes, this one. Someone mentioned something similar about consistency. I might have been dad, so consistency is key. But there are moments as parents where you guys realize this method is not working or we haven't been implementing this right. That's okay.
Lydia:
It's a part of our Christian walk where sometimes we may come into a more perfect knowledge of the truth or we may get a revelation about something like oh, this is what this means or this is how I should be addressing this situation, where you weren't before. So how do you all? What is your advice to parents who may have been implementing especially with regard to technology and social media that might be rethinking some of these things, or maybe some of the methods they've been using at home and tracking back and changing how they handle it, changing the expectation for their children, meaning so they had done something a certain way before, but they changed their mind and expectations. How do you suggest, what is your advice to parents who have to do that, find themselves in that position, because it's not easy. You might run into a lot of difficulties with children changing that expectation or it's in the notes.
Patricia:
o not grow weary in well-doing you may, you know, do not be weary in the parenting or in the adjusting, changing, remediating what you did wrong, trusting that if God led you to do that, he will supply the grace, Even if you have to backtrack five years of and undue behavior that was established. But then you're realizing, oh, that's not good. You have, consistency is going to be key, but not going, not getting faint or weary in your efforts to do that, because you know that you are obeying God and that, in due, if you, if you continue on, you will reap the reward, the reward being that your child goes after the Lord with I know it's. I think Galatians 6:19 was one of the scriptures in the notes about shepherding a child's heart.
Patricia:
It was being not, I think so.
Lydia:
There is no 6"19.
Patricia:
Okay, all right, hold on, so I'm not perfect yeah.
Lydia:
It's okay.
Patricia:
It's Galatians 6:9. Sorry, let us not be weary and well-doing, for in due season we shall reap if we faint not. And second Timothy 3:13, but, ye, brethren, be not weary and well-doing. We have to understand that we'll just like our life If you are walking a certain way and you come to the knowledge of Jesus and you come to the word, and the word is showing you uh-oh, this is not cool. These are these things that I've established in my life are not cool. Oh, it's not. Repentance comes, but the change might not come overnight, and so we have to can. Well, sometimes some people, it's an instant like they stop smoking, or you know something like that.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Okay, I know we were talking about something that we implemented for years in our home and then we're right, so for because now you have two hearts and three hearts, and you have the parents and you have the child or the children.
Patricia:
So it's going to take time, but God is faithful and if he put a conviction through His word that there is something that we might have missed or did wrong, we have the ability to repent and change it, which is repentance you change and then you just continue in the grace of God until you know He He brings it out, and sometimes that's years and tears, years and tears.
Lydia:
And just to clarify, those two verses are Galatians six, nine and second Thessalonians. Oh, sorry, okay, second Thessalonians, in case anyone was trying to take note of that. Yeah, okay, anything to add, dad, before I move on.
Patricia:
I'm not sure I even understood the question, so I'm letting you take that one, just if we noticed that we we already discussed it If we noticed that we did something that didn't work, how do you? Or that we didn't implement certain things that we should have, how do we go back?
Lydia:
For example, if I give you an example, let's say you have had your child with a pump or what and they've heard some of this that you cited, or taught, seen the the consequences of that decision with. Maybe the child is rebelling until they get the phone, or the amount of time spent for social media. And let's say they decide as a collective unit, the parents, we do not. Or if you are single parenting, perhaps they are in a position where you decide well, I'm not going to allow this anymore.
Lydia:
We're going to change how we do this and having to explain that to the child, who may not understand all the reasons behind it and just sees it as a punishment or a consequence.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Okay, yeah, well, since you now you've made it concrete. I could understand the phone issue, because I've seen, I've read, I've looked at research and studies on the adverse effects of social media or having a phone with children. As a father, I think I have to make an executive decision, knowing there's probably nobody who doesn't like it, cause the responsibility and accountability falls on me alone. Now, if I had to make a drastic change like that and say we're getting off the phone, you're not going to have a phone. Find a way to just give you something that is a phone rather than a smartphone, so that you're not on the internet, so that you can't have the apps, I would try to do that, but the risk is too great to not do anything about it and to leave its status quo.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
There's too much stuff going on where your children are going off in a direction that you never, ever, thought they ever would. It was not even on. Like if you made a list of a hundred things that you were worried about. It wasn't even on that list and all of a sudden, your child went into that because you didn't stop something that you knew was going to be detrimental. You have to and then explain it to the child, and it doesn't matter how you explain it to the child. More than likely your child, already being addicted, will not care what you have to say and will not take into consideration what you have to say and will probably be resented for a long time. But let me give you an example.
Lydia:
I can even give an example.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
No, no.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Let me give you an example, because I've heard this kind of story several times.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
The anecdotal testimony was there was a child had a phone, was walking in outlandish behavior, talking about trans stuff, talking about all of these things and going in that direction, would never, ever, given any indication of any kind of gender dysphoria, identity issues whatsoever in all their life.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
And the only way to get her out of that was to get rid of the phone. And they had to leave where they lived and go on the road Because she had to get her daughter out of the people that she was surrounded with that had gotten caught up in it. She had to get rid of the cell phone that was reinforcing it and getting her out of that system and getting that system away from her, giving her a time of sobriety like an addicted person and sanity, was the only way she got out of that. She started to actually think clearly and not be so gung-ho going in this direction that she had never given any indication that she was going that way. Sometimes it's that drastic that you have to do that to save your children, because you really don't know what direction they're going in, because this world is going crazier as every day goes by. It's just, it's going more and more insane, more and more.
Patricia:
Okay. So the principle is that you are going to establish the authority and you're going to go on the conviction of a father or a mother or parents to do the best thing for your child, whether you have to take back something that you thought was no big deal and backtrack and say, well, no, did you have an example or did you want the question? I'll give a personal example.
Lydia:
There was a summer in one of my years of high school. I can't even tell you which summer, but I remember in high school I lost all my technology privileges for the entire summer so think two to three months and I think I had an iPad mini at the time.
Lydia:
I did not have a phone, but I had an iPad mini, but that was where my Snapchat was. That was where I was connected to people, because I didn't have a phone, but I had a Google voice and I could text through my email because that was the thing at the time and there was something of rebellion.
Lydia:
I don't even remember what it was, but I think it was related to cleaning my room and it was to a point where it had been. I had been warned over and over and over and over that if I continued, privileges one by one would be taken away, and Privileges are one by one be taken away. It was to the point where you guys valued that Active obedience so much we would sometimes have to miss soccer practice. Yeah, because we had to stay home and clean our room. And that became also what you have done. It has this consequence, but this consequence also affects other people, whether you guys instilled that.
Lydia:
So back to this summer, it was every week. Every week I was checked and if I was out of line for my room or out of line for not doing my chores or I was rebellious in any way, shape or form, I lost another week and I Got hard-hearted over that summer. I know that I I got to a point where I gave up, where I was like that's it. If I'm not gonna have it, I might as well be the worst I can ever be, because I have nothing else to lose at this point. That was the state I was in and if you look back at that, you see my favorite.
Lydia:
It was very much of one who was addicted in Many ways left a lot, I slept a lot, and so take her to practice and she would sleep.
Patricia:
I remember that I would sleep in summer yeah yeah, she would. She would refuse to practice. We didn't practice.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Yes, you did you would you mean like a family or?
Patricia:
you would go and kick with her and Deborah and I'd ask you how'd she do? Because I was worried about her and she was. Her passive aggressiveness was she would sleep.
Lydia:
Yeah.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
But that's what happened with all three. Yes whenever we took your electronics away. It's like good grief. You have to be jacked in to be awake.
Lydia:
So I give this story as a warning, because you guys censored it and still it had that effect. It can have that effect, even as you censor. So when you get that lash out and whatnot, and you're right, I resented that for a very long time and I look back on that and I'm grateful because that for me has solidified all the messages and warnings I've seen about social media and electronics and being on too much sometimes I still have to check myself now and again.
Lydia:
But having not, if I have not had that experience firsthand, it probably wouldn't hit so hard home, but it does for me because I know, yeah, it can happen. It happened to me and I was, I'm, and I was A student. I was very responsible in my academic.
Patricia:
That was actually an argument she made, like I'm an A student and I'm doing this and that. I remember that and it was like yeah, but this is lacking you. You know, and God is that way with us, lydia.
Lydia:
And I was not seeking out God. That used to, I know because we had Bible study time.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Oh no, you would read books and books, and books and books, oh yeah.
Lydia:
I got your scriptures.
Patricia:
Hello but but the the? You know we go through these painful processes, not just the parents but the child Because of that. And then the parents have to. You know it says train up your child in the ways of the Lord and they will not depart. And sometimes it is disheartening. Some people have longer, harder stories. We've had some heart, heart felt, heart stoppers in this house. But you know this is where the rubber hits the road. Are you going to trust the Lord for his word? Are you going to stand on the word or are you going to cave into Society? Well, maybe I was a little too hard, maybe, maybe I shouldn't have been that rough on her, maybe I should have given in. And and the thoughts did come. I know they came to me many times and you know we had to help each other. No, we have to say, we have to stay the course on this one.
Lydia:
So yeah, and I'm so glad you brought up society, because that brings me to my next question. How would you all respond to accusations of society for manipulating your children's thoughts and values as painting it as a moral issue, and how would you respond to your own child who feels that at some point or in your Parenting you have tried to manipulate or guilt them into a decision? How would you respond to each of those society?
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
and your child. That's a lot. Yeah, give me the society first.
Lydia:
Yes, how would you respond to accusations of society For manipulating your child's thoughts and values?
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
I don't care what society thinks. If you're worried about what society thinks and you're gonna let that influence your decisions in your own house.
Lydia:
Your weak and well, here's the thing society can even include people in the church. Yeah, it's a faith, that's so here's the thing.
Patricia:
This is where it's important that a husband and wife be of one mind and one accord in what they decide in their home biblically. Take biblical counsel, but at the end of the day, they are the parents that God gave for those children. They are the ones, they are the stewards, not the rest of the church, not your parents, not your grandparents, not the teachers, not you know, people around you. And so we have to stand, because I'll give you, I'll give you a tangible example. It's a, it's a dumb little incident, but one time your sister got in trouble for something and her consequence was no dessert, I think it was, as she wasn't eating her food, probably. Um, all a bunch of women came and one of them was a warm fuzzy.
Lydia:
Yes, miss Marta loved y'all.
Patricia:
She treated you like her grandkids. She was pretty tough and she would always have opinions about good ones, about you know, submission to husbands, etc. And and and always tell me, you're doing a great job. You're doing a great job. That particular day, this child put the waterworks on and Her and the rest of the women and the fellowship were oh my god, just one little bye, you won't.
Patricia:
And I stood in my ground and I felt really bad because it was like man, they're making me feel really bad, you know. And then after, you know, but in that moment I had to stand on what God had told me to do With her, because if I caved in, there would go to consistency. Oh, if a bunch of people say something, you're gonna change your mind. Okay, I remember getting a message from this person You're so great way to stand your ground. And I wrote her back and I'm like it would have been nice if you would have supported me in the process. But, thank you, you know. So it you know. Oh, so the story of from the Bible comes up. There was a prophet who was told to go do something and go straight home. Then another prophet came and said well, god told me that you're supposed to come to my house and he disregarded what the Lord had put on his heart to do you. He let what the other guy said God told him to do sidetrack him. Consequence he was was he mauled by a Lion?
Patricia:
eat something that was the concept, whether you think, whoa, God is that severe, but that's the consequence of if you, the Lord shows you something and how you to walk out with your kids and you're gonna let other people come and tell you something different that you do not have a witness about. It's not. It could be biblical, but it's not the biblical that God pointed you in. Then you're gonna stand before the Lord on that one, and that's something that I always told you guys too. I didn't. I want to stand before the Lord Because I was disobeyed and you know have the charge of that. I did not heed him because he knows y'all's heart. Society doesn't know your heart. God knows your heart.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
I think that your question is can be reworded as disagreeing with you indoctrinating your children, the word the society or the world uses. You're indoctrinating your children. I don't have any problem with indoctrination. I'm as guilty as every single family that raises their own family. They indoctrinate their children into their values, into things that they consider are important, some of them biblical, some of them not biblical. Everybody does that. Indoctrinating as the root word, doctrine. It's teaching. We are teaching our children in a certain teaching, in a certain doctrine, and it is a biblical one. And if I'm guilty of that, then so be it, because in the eyes of God then I'm in a good place. I don't really care what society says. They're indoctrinating their children in the beliefs that they have.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
And we see right now in our society where that's leading, it's a very relativi st society. No, there's no Absolute authority, there's no absolute truth. Anything is whatever you want it to be. So we're nearly living in a society where everyone does right in their own eyes, yep, yep, and, and because you will not acknowledge even objective reality and objective truth, our society is decaying and it's it's tearing at the seams, at the fabric of our society, because you have rejected God and his biblical principles in doctrine. Well, I'm guilty of trying to instill in my children biblical principles in doctrine that I know that will leave there, that will lead to their eternal life in Jesus Christ. If anybody else has issues with that, oh well, I don't really care what you think. I'm gonna do my best to implement the biblical values that I believe are true. Now. Then they go to the other question.
Lydia:
Yes, how would you respond to your own child who may feel that you have tried to manipulate or guilt them into a decision, because sometimes children say that About their parents. I.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Would say I don't know who the child is or or if this is just a hypothetical. I would say to the child right now I could go to the Lord and ask Him again, just because you've brought it up. But my first initial response is I have never tried to manipulate you or guilt you into anything that I Now could I have at one moment because I was just fed up and and wanted to get something done really quick. I might have said something like that. Maybe I did, and if you can pinpoint it to me and tell me what about this particular instance, maybe I would remember and maybe I'd say you know what? I think you're right. I was pretty upset that day. I'm sorry. I would just repent right in the moment. I I don't have any qualms about that because I know I'm not perfect, but overall I have never instituted biblical principles with the idea that I am trying to manipulate you, to control you and to guilt you, because that I know my nature enough that I am not that kind of person that wants to even control your life. I see things going on in other people's lives and I might, because I feel led of the Lord, want to speak into their lives to be a blessing and to help them. But my nature is, if you didn't ask me, I'm not getting involved. But then I think about how we've been in other churches and how we've wondered why isn't the pastor saying anything about what's going on in here? Why don't he say anything? Why won't he get involved? Isn't that what a pastor supposed to do? And so I've had to kind of weigh that over time and realize that there are sometimes where Sometimes you have to at least extend the invitation to see if they're willing to even have a conversation about it. And so that's what I've kind of asked the Lord. I said, Lord, I'm gonna kind of extend an invitation to see if I can even have a conversation, like I did with recently. And they opened up and said, yeah, sure, let's go ahead, let's go have lunch or whatever. And so hopefully I'm hoping to do that.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
But normally that's not even in my nature. I, you want to run your house the way you want to find it's when it starts affecting me or my children, I might then say something actively Because it's it's directly affecting me. But if that's your house, that's, it's kind of a libertarian type of mindset. But the heart of God is, and I started thinking about this recently. I don't. I don't know if this is appropriate to bring up in this particular question, but you know how it says my sheep hear my voice and they follow me. Okay, that's the shepherd. He speaks, they listen. If one sheep gets lost, goes astray, the shepherd is gonna leave the 99 to go rescue that one that got lost, went astray for whatever reason, really doesn't tell you. It doesn't intimate anything. And then I started and then I guess the Lord dropped into me. What about the prodigal son?
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Wasn't the father the shepherd yeah, did the father go after him? No, what's the difference?
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
I've been ruminating that over the last couple days, and I'm thinking the difference is, when the prodigal son left the father, he did so willfully and in rebellion and the father gave him what he wanted even though He didn't agree with it, just like God gave Israel a king even though He didn't agree with it. But the father didn't go after the son and rescue him, like a shepherd went after the sheep. So why did he go after that sheep? Because that sheep went astray, not out of willful rebellion. He got lost, he got sidetracked, and the Lord goes after those that. They kind of just maybe got caught up in something and it wasn't out of sheer, outright rebellion. Father, I want my portion of inheritance.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
And he went out and he went whole hog into sin. That's not what the sheep did. The sheep got lost. Maybe he got lost. Maybe he went off a little bit and then all of a sudden slipped and fell down into a hole that he can't get out of. Okay, well, that's not rebellion. So he goes after them. But he didn't go after the prodigal because you're willfully doing that and you're choosing that for yourself. So until you repent, I can't force you. I'm not going to force you. So I think I brought that up. I think it's somehow connected to that fact, which was your question again.
Lydia:
My question was how would you respond to the child?
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Right, okay, so we may have a disagreement and if you bring a certain particular event that I can remember, I'm going to analyze it. I feel like I want to be that wise person that talks about you listen to rebuke, you'll be with the wise. I feel like I'm like that. I don't think I'm above correction, above reproof. So if one of my children came to me, said, what about this moment saying that you manipulated me, I'll consider it if I remember, great, but overall, I don't have that. I don't have any. I don't have that as a witness in my spirit that I act in that way, in that manner to try to control it. I just don't. I'm done.
Patricia:
I said what I was going to say. Oh, about that question, yeah, the child.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
You didn't answer about the child, you answered about society.
Patricia:
Well, if the child comes to the same thing I agree with what Jay said. You do take it to consideration. Maybe there was something that you did wrong and then you repent. But not to renege on everything the principle behind, whatever rate, the way that you raise your children, if you're trying to follow after the board.
Lydia:
I raised that question just because oftentimes society might see that in children and they may feel that way, absolutely. Or it may have been a moment, as you guys have said, parents aren't perfect and there may be moments where you guys faltered out of anger or something, and that child might remember that.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Yeah, because it was traumatic to them and they remember it vividly.
Lydia:
And so it's just that question I'm bringing out on behalf of parents. In case that does happen, it's important, obviously, not to let go of the principle behind what you were doing at the time, but also being humble and talking. Maybe it's your spouse, because sometimes you guys have had that conversation where hey, ma'am not handled it, this the best way, maybe going forward doing this, and they're hard conversation, but iron sharpens iron.
Patricia:
It's actually in the book. That point is actually in the book that if you messed up, then you should be repentant before you?
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Yes, because you're teaching them how to do that. Yes, you're modeling and demonstrating that.
Lydia:
And one thing I will say that was modeled in this house is if there was a moment in which any of our parents may have misspoke out of anger or there was a situation, I do recall you guys coming back and apologizing for it.
Patricia:
I remember as a kid I was like why are they apologizing?
Lydia:
They don't. But, I get the principle behind it now that in that moment, you were recognizing that this was not of the Lord, I was not operating in that way and I needed to repent of that and you were involved and directly affected by it. So therefore I need to apologize to you. So that's an important principle also. Yeah and last but not least, last question yes, how because you guys are Now parents of children who are basically out of the house most of the time.
Lydia:
We still come back every night again but, most of us, all of us have left in some way, shape or form. How has parenting changed or shifted for you all, as your children have left the house.
Patricia:
Well, I mean you're in a different stage of life. You're adults we pray more I I do. Then we were kids. Um well, I think we.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
I think, I think, I think what she's trying to say is that we've had to trust God more because we've been more hands-off because of distance. We just had to trust God more for it, because if you were living here, we'd have a direct set.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
We'd have a direct line to say something verbally or see what's going on. But Seeing all three of you go out and on your own in college, not knowing who you're hanging out with, not knowing what you're doing in the middle of the night, finding out that you last week and worked as an Uber driver Surprisingly we didn't know that and stuff like that, whoever, was.
Lydia:
Oh, I was the only one. I know I did I know what.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
I'm saying is we're finding things out that we would like. What? Why you? You were working as an. Uber driver. What are you crazy? You know um. But and then just it caused us to trust God in a deeper way, in a more.
Patricia:
It's dynamic way.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
It's challenging because we haven't had the ability to do something about it about it directly. We've had to say well, Lord, I can't do anything about it, it's, they're in your hands, we entrust them to you and we're gonna be praying and interceding like Job did for his children, and hopefully he will be more merciful to our children than it was the Job's children.
Lydia:
That is it.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Thank you all.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
Thank you all for coming. Thank you all for listening. We hope that has been a blessing to you. There's definitely gonna be a part multiple part series that by the time I cut it up, you'll realize how many parts it is before. Even I know right now.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
But just to end with um, to remind you, um, that the books that we highly recommend are Shepherding a Child's Heart by Tedd Tripp that's a double d and a double p and then Boundaries with Kids by Dr Henry Cloud and Dr John Townsend, and uh, we cannot tell you how grateful we are that you have taken the time to listen and that you keep coming back to listen. Uh, we love to hear your feedback, we love to hear your responses. Some of you have contacted us by text, some of you've contacted us by email. Um, some of you have made um A reviews. You know, on different sites where you're listening to the podcast, and we can't uh tell you how much we appreciate that, and so we ask you to continue to do that. Um, sometimes your feedback helps us to make decisions on what we might share in the future, so please keep bringing them in. Uh, we hope you enjoyed your time with Lydia, Patricia and myself, and uh, until we uh hear from you again.
j - Jesus M. Ruiz:
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