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Our Father's Heart
Eternal Judgment [circa 2009] (Part 1) | Ep. 177
Though Hebrews 6 unpacks six core principles—repentance from dead works, faith toward God, baptisms, laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment—that trace the believer’s life from new birth to final destiny, we hone in our focus on Eternal Judgment.
We press into the hard but hopeful truth: judgment begins in the house of God. Ezekiel 34 confronts shepherds who feed themselves while neglecting the weak, and that pattern still speaks today. Then we follow Jesus’ strategy in Matthew 10: seek the “worthy,” let peace rest where the message is received, and shake the dust where it is not. Worthiness is not status; it’s reception. As Christ later pronounces woes on cities that witnessed miracles yet refused to repent, the stakes become clear—greater light brings greater responsibility. Rejecting the messenger means rejecting the One who sent him, and reception brings the first blessing of peace and hope.
We also hold up a mirror to our religious reflexes. Jesus names the Pharisees’ hypocrisy: heavy burdens, polished appearances, fixation on tithes while ignoring justice, mercy, and faith. That indictment challenges modern church culture to lift burdens, prioritize the wounded, and keep the weightier matters central. The call is simple and searching: preach the gospel, discern hunger, invest where the word is received, and move on without rancor. For every listener wrestling with spiritual leadership, mission, and endurance, this conversation offers clarity, courage, and a path toward the resurrection of the just.
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The vision received was that of blood cells traveling throughout the body, supplying the much needed oxygen and other nutrients to the differing members of the body to fulfill their purpose. Once the blood cells are spent, they must return back to the heart to be refilled before being sent out again and fulfill their purpose. Good morning. Fifteen minutes. Good morning. Ah, um interesting how this message came about. In 2001, I was ministering out of my home to a uh couple. Um one of them was a high school classmate of mine. She was a year behind me. The other one was one I battled against in football and basketball, and we became friends in college since we were both studying psychology. But um I forgot how it came about, but at some point um I began to minister to them the principles of the doctrine of Christ from Hebrews. And uh it the message began there. I remember giving the message, and I remember not wanting to post it on my website. I just didn't like it on paper. I don't, it wasn't that it was false or wrong. I just something about it on paper, I just never liked it. And so for seven years, I did not post that particular matter, but I posted the five previous. And about a month ago, I get an email from some guy who says he's from Kenya. And as soon as I see that, I'm thinking, oh no, one of those emails, they want money, their wife died, and they're raising, you know. So I didn't know what to think of it, but he didn't ask me for money. He said, I went to your website and I read the principles of the doctrine of Christ, and I noticed that the sixth one is not there, and I need it. I I want it. What happened to it? So I said, Well, you know, I spoke to him back and introduced myself and uh told him that uh I never really, you know, I told him about exactly what I told you in my introduction, and I said, But, you know, if you really do need it, I I'll I'll look back on it and I'll look at it over and try to come up with something so that uh you can have it. Because what I found out is that he was traveling to America, he was establishing some headquarters for something that he was doing here, and he was ministering that that particular theme or topic of the principles of the doctrine of Christ in Kenya and in different parts of Africa. And he and he w eventually I met him and he went to the Conyers uh um conference that that some of us here did go to, and very tall man, over six feet, maybe six foot three, six foot five. I don't know, but he was very tall. Um and so he asked me when we were leaving, could I translate it? And I said, Well, yeah, sure, you know. Um, and so it seems like he's gonna go back and he's gonna translate it in Kenya and give that message and share that message with others. I don't know whether he's apostolic, but everything that I wrote in the doctrines of Christ was sprinkled all over with the apostolic message. And uh he never said anything about it. He just kept speaking so highly about it, how he never knew about the left and the right. And if you remember, one of the doctrines of Christ was the laying on of hands, and I gave that message a couple months ago. But he was just, I don't know, he was just very impressed. It's it's like I showed him something that he'd not seen before. So, you know, I gave that seven years ago, and it's just wow. I I was not expecting to reach a man in Kenya. You know, I was just expecting to reach my friend who who, you know, I I was thinking locally and not globally, but yet God was thinking from the very beginning globally. And so I'm glad that he was able to get that message, and I'm glad today, because I was told like within two to three days of today that I needed to give the message this week. So it was nice that within the last month I had already done this for him, and now I want to share with you. And so we will begin in Hebrews chapter six, verses one and two, and hopefully my better half help meet, we'll be able to keep up with the verses so that you can see them in case you're not there, because I do have an extra ten minutes, so I do have time, but I think it might be long, and I'm gonna try to give it all to you at once. The author, who we believe to be Paul, says, Therefore, leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, and of the doctrine of baptisms and of laying on of hands, and of the resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. There's a common thread that connects all these principles that we just read, and it is that they are focused on the salvation of an from the moment she or he is born again to eternity. These six principles encapsulate his life, his faith walk life experiences with Christ. The first is repentance from dead works, it's necessary. As soon as the light of the revelation of the glory of God shines in your life, you are required to there then make a decision. Choose life or death. And if you choose life, inherent in choosing life is saying, I'm going to repent of my ways and turn to you. The second is exercising your faith toward God or faith in Jesus Christ. And the next that comes, after you start exercising your faith, you start realizing, uh, I need to get baptized. And so there's the doctrine of baptisms, and that baptism includes baptism in Jesus' name, and it also includes receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost. And the next is the laying on of hands, which a few about a month, month and a half ago, I shared with you on the laying on of hands, and Bishop Harris elaborated on that some more, but on my focus was since these are the principles of the doctrine of Christ and they apply to the salvation of the individual, the laying on of hands really had to do with him from the Holy Ghost to others, as we saw repeatedly done in Acts. And so the first born again that we may see of God as described in John chapter 3, 1 through 8. But the last two prints properly born again. Like there's a way to be improperly born again, so don't get confused at that. But when you are born again or not, there's only two outcomes. You either going to attain to the resurrection of the dead or eternal judgment. The final principle of this doctrine of Christ is eternal judgment. And the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment kind of contrast one another. The resurrection of the dead has to do with the resurrection of the just. And this happens before the millennial reign of Christ. And this is where the just will reign with him for all eternity in glory and be clothed with their new spiritual bodies. And the second death will have no power over the resurrection of the just. These are the manifest sons of God spoken of in Romans 8 and verse 19. But in contrast to this resurrection of the dead, we have the eternal judgment, and this is the reward of the unrighteous. This does not apply to the saints of the Most High God. It does not apply to those who have been born again, endure and overcome even unto the very end. These are for those that are unjust who will spend eternity in torment and in the lake of fire with the devil and all of his minions. So the question we need to ask is who are the unjust? Am I? Do the scriptures declare their identity to us? Because if it does, I want to figure out how do I need to be just. And there's a scripture in 1 Peter 4 17, Peter speaks of there is a time where judgment will come and it will begin in the house of God. And if it first begins with us in the house of God, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel? Paul to the Thessalonians speaks of the same matter, and he says that Jesus is coming back in a flaming fire, and he's going to take vengeance on those that do not know God and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. So from these two scriptures, I see that judgment is going to first begin in the house of God, and we don't really expect that. But if you read the scriptures enough and study it enough, you realize he will always begin with his children. He will not begin with the bastards, he will not begin with those that are outside of his house, he will always repair the inside of his house first before he cleans everybody else's house on the block. And this is not a new occurrence, but this is a continuation of how the Lord has shown his ways in dealing in judgment. He always deals with his house first. So I want to show you an example of that. We will turn to Ezekiel chapter 34, and we will begin in verse 1. This is that chapter where Ezekiel is never called by name of the Lord. He's always referred to as Son of Man. I shared with that with that you about a year ago. I don't know if you remember that. But Ezekiel chapter 34 says, And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel. Prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord unto the shepherds, Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves. Should not the shepherds feed the flocks? But ye feed not the flock. The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost, but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them. And they were scattered, because there was no shepherd, and they came became meat to all the beasts of the field when they were scattered. My sheep wandered through all the mountains and upon every high hill, yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them. Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord. As I live, saith the Lord God, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves and fed not my flock. Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord. Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I am against the shepherds, and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock, neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more, for I would deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them. And using this one example we can see how clearly the Lord deals severely with the shepherds of his flock. And if he deals so severely with the shepherds of his flock, how much sore punishment do you think there will be for those who do not know God, for those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ? First and foremost, the unjust are those that reject the gospel of the kingdom and reject the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. And I want to show you that in the New Testament because Jesus showed how he deals with them when he sent out his disciples. And we're going to use the account found in Matthew chapter 10, verse 5. Jesus sent forth twelve, and he commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans, enter ye not, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. His main and primary concern has always been his people. His people that have been neglected, his people that have been lost, his people that have been abused and misused and mistreated. His desire is to rescue them first. Not that he doesn't consider the others, but his first and foremost responsibility as a father is to his children. And so he sends his disciples to his people, the Jews of that day. And he says, Go and preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils, freely ye have received, freely give. And the interesting thing is that Jesus sent out the twelve to cities that he was going to come to. But he sent them first. They were his forerunners, as John the Baptist was the forerunner of Jesus Christ, preparing the way for the Lord. So were his disciples sent forth before him to the cities that he wanted to go to, but he sent them and the gospel first to prepare the way to receive him. In declaring the gospel of the kingdom, we are now the first point of contact between the world and Jesus Christ. Just as Jesus was the crux contact point between the world and the Father, now we are the crucial point between contact of the world and Jesus. And so we continue in verse 11. Jesus says, And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and there abide till ye go thence. And when ye come into an house, salute it. And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it. And but if it not be worthy, let your peace return to you. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house in that city, shake off the dust off your feet. Verily I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city. Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves. The word that jumps out of me in that excerpt is worthy. What does it mean in the context of what Jesus was speaking to his disciples to be worthy? The disciples were supposed to go into the city, inquire, and find out who is worthy. So, in the context of these scriptures, what made a household worthy? Do you see it for yourself before I mention it? Think of it. What made that household worthy based upon what we just read? Receiving the word that is correct. Receiving the message that the disciples were coming to give. If the house was worthy, the peace of God that rested upon the disciples will then also rest upon the house. Why? That is the initial blessing, a blessing of peace. If you receive the word of God, that is the initial blessing you will receive to know that this is really of God. And if the house is unworthy, meaning they didn't receive the disciples or their words, then the peace of God should remain with the disciples. Not only that, they were to dust off their feet the dust of unbelief and move on. We're not to stay there to argue with people, we're not to stay there to win an argument and show how superior we are in our wielding of the word. It is very simple. Paul on Mars Hill just presented the gospel to a bunch of Greek philosophers. He simply presented it and used their own statue. This unknown God is the God of all creation. And he presented the gospel and they wanted to continue arguing and said, Well, let's talk about this again tomorrow. And he was not going to stay there and argue. But he found those that were worthy, those that heard his words, received his words, and wanted to know more. It says he went with them and he continued to minister to them, but he left the others. And that is how our faith walks as we dis as we spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. That is how it should be. Because we do not have control over who's going to be saved and who's going to be damned. We don't have control on who's going to receive our words and who's going to reject the words. So just preach the gospel. And whoever receives, minister to them. Whoever does not receive, I did my job. I planted the seed. Let's move on because there's somebody else that needs to get saved. There's somebody else that needs to be rescued. And I can't waste all my time because I don't know what his end is. The Lord knows. Samuel was speaking to the people, and the people said, We want a cnations. And Samuel was very grieved at this, but the Lord told him to do as they ask. Give them what they want. He says in 1 Samuel 8, 7, For they have not rejected thee, Samuel, but they have rejected me. That I should not reign over them. You see, when a prophet came in the Old Testament to give the word of the Lord, and it's the same mentality that we need to have today, but the prophet should have just gone, said the word, and now worried about are they going to receive it or are they going to reject it? Because it's not a personal affront to you. You are not delivering your own message. You are delivering the message of the Lord, and you are his mouthpiece. And if they don't receive it, they're not rejecting you, they're rejecting him. He was the source of the word. And so the same way that the people of God rejected the word of the Lord, his counsel, he wanted to reign over them. He wanted to be their king. But they did not want that. And so he says, Give them what they want, but know that they have not rejected you, they rejected me. And in Mark 9, chapter 37, Jesus says the very same thing. And whoever shall receive me receiveth not me, but him that sent me. That was him, that meeting point between the world and the Father. But look at what he says in Matthew 10, 40, coming back to where we originally started, he says, He that receiveth you, disciples, whom I am sending to the cities, he receives me. And he that receives me receives him that sent me. The principle is there, from old to new, it has not changed. Jesus made us a part of the salvation process by having us proclaim the gospel of the kingdom. And without controversy, he says, if those who hear your words do not receive you or your words, they not only have rejected you as a person, but they have rejected Christ Himself and God who sent him. Now that was Matthew chapter 10. I told you he sent his disciples first to the cities. If you go to the next chapter in chapter 11, starting in verse 20, Jesus now comes to the cities in which he just sent the disciples. Woe unto thee, Khorazim! Woe unto thee, but Seda! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. And thou Capernaum, which are exalted unto heaven, thou shalt be brought down to hell. For if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for thee. So we notice he sent his disciples in Matthew 10, 12 disciples to spread the gospel, to get them ready to receive the gospel, Jesus Christ Himself, because He is the embodiment of the gospel. He sent them to heal the sick, to cleanse them of their diseases, of their infirmities, to deliver from them from the oppression of demons, but the cities did not receive them. And Jesus came with mighty signs and miracles and wonders. And he even told them the works that I do testify of me. If you can't believe in me, but at least believe in the works because you know that only God could heal that man. You know that only God could deliver him from that demon that was ravaging his soul. He pleaded with them. If you don't believe me, just believe the works. Don't question the magnificence of the works that were done. Because they can only be done by my father. And sadly, they still would not believe him. Even after all the miracles, the signs, the wonder that his disciples accomplished in their city, they still would not repent. They still would not believe. And he speaks of the woes of their decisions. And Sodom and Gomorrah, who we religious folk kindly look down on when we look back on the scriptures, even they have a better chance than those who received the gospel of Jesus Christ and saw the miracles and the wonders. Even Sodom has a better chance than you. He says Sodom would have repented and believed if they saw it. That's one of those what-if questions. I hate what-if questions because I never know. But I know God knows, and he says, if Sodom had heard that, they would have repented and believed. So God is the only one that knows the what-ifs. So we clearly see that first he sent the gospel through his disciples to prepare his coming. He came himself in the miracles and the signs and the wonders, but they rejected his messengers. They rejected his gospel that were the forerunner, and they ended up also rejecting him. Their judgment is made sure because they would not believe and receive his messengers or the gospel sent to them, nor they would receive Jesus Christ Himself. Who are the just, who are the unjust. Those who have obeyed the gospel have the potential to become the just in the end. I want to speak of those shepherds of Israel again. The shepherds of Israel from Ezekiel 34, because in the old covenant they were the shepherds of Israel, and over time they evolved into what Jesus met in the days of his flesh. They were the Pharisees. Jesus had much to say concerning the Pharisees on many occasions. But we'll start in Matthew 7, verse 1, very quick verse. Jesus said, Judge not that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged. And with what measure ye meet, it shall be measured to you again. This is a spiritual law. If you judge and let me define judge for a second if there's a black kettle on the stove and I say the kettle's black, I am judging that the kettle is black. That is different, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's a state of a fact. It is an observation. I judge that the kettle is black. I judge that this man won the race. Those are not the type of judgments talking about here. The judgments that he's talking about here is when you feel so superior to others that in your judgment of them you also condemn them. And that is not your place, for it is not the time. It is not that we will not ever judge, but there is a time and a place for us to judge in the sense of condemnation. It's in the wrongness of something. We are asked when we go to the courts to be a juror, to judge whether the evidence shown causes this man to be innocent or guilty. Or should we say guilty or not guilty? Because sometimes the evidence is there, but is not there enough, even though we know he's guilty, and we can't say he's guilty because the evidence does not prove without a shadow of a doubt. But we judge the rightness or wrongness of things, and there's nothing wrong with that. We should be doing that. If we can't judge between the rightness or wrongness between one another, but we'd rather go to court and sue that person, we have not matured in Christ at all. We are carnal, as if we didn't have the Holy Spirit of God. So now that I've given you that definition, judging for the sake of observing and a statement of fact whether something is right or wrong is different than condemning someone. We're the jury, we say whether the person is guilty or not guilty. If we pronounce that he's guilty, that he's done something wrong, the jury does not determine what is his consequence, the judge does. And so if you look at that analogy and bring it to a spiritual aspect, it is the judge, Jesus Christ, that will determine their outcome. He will determine what is their proper punishment for not having obeyed the law. And so I come back to this. If you judge or condemn someone, you will be judged and condemned. And in the same measure that you judge and condemn someone, the same measure you will be judged and condemned. In other words, as much mercilessness as you show toward others, don't be surprised if that same amount of mercilessness is also shown to you. The Pharisees put themselves in the seat of Moses. They judged people according to their law or their interpretation of the law. And they even made up some new ones on top of what was originally the law of God. And they did not realize that the same judgment and condemnation that they were bringing upon others would be the same judgment and condemnation that they would end up receiving. If we turn to Matthew 23, he speaks even more of the Pharisees. Matthew 23, starting in verse 2. Jesus said, the scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. All therefore, whatsoever they bid you to observe, that observe and do. But do not do after their works. For they say and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be born. And lay them on men's shoulders, but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. He advised us to do what the Pharisees say and taught, but don't do as they do, because they were nothing but hypocrites. They told people what to do, but they did not themselves. Look at what they're really interested in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretense ye make a long prayer in the midst of the congregation, and therefore ye shall receive even greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye compass sea and land to make one a proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Jesus called them hypocrites because they did not enter into the kingdom of God, and they kept others from entering into the kingdom of God. These were the shepherds of Israel described in the old covenant, and this is what they became. Not only did they feed themselves, not only did they neglect the flock and they left them and they let them go lost and they never went after them, but now they judge them for their condition. And their condition had everything to do with how they were shepherded. So if you're gonna judge the sheep for being in the condition that they're in, make sure that you know that the shepherd, the great shepherd, will judge the shepherd because of the condition that they're in. Did he judge Satan first? Yes, he did. But who did he go to first? He went to Adam. Then he went to Eve. Then he went to Satan. But he went to Adam first because Adam was the head. Adam was the one who had primary accountability. The shepherds are the ones that have primary accountability. And in all the churches that you see today, the judgment will first begin with the shepherds in each of those houses for how they have treated or mistreated their flock and the state and the condition that they find them in. Because judgment will begin in the house of God. In verse 23, woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees and hypocrites, for ye pay the tithe and the mint and anise and cumin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith. These ought ye to have done, and not leave the others undone. But ye blind guides which strain at a gnat and swallow of scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye may clean the outside of the cup, and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and the platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. The Pharisees forgot about the weightier matters of the law. They were imbalanced, they focused on the little things and forgot the greater, weightier things. But notice they were also quick to focus on the money, the tithe, and the mint. They focused on that money that was coming in from the people, and that happens all in the churches we see today. And I can speak of that because we came from a church that treated their flock, the flock that was undocumented, trying to make their way in America, hardly without money to pay for their food, yet they always watched the flock. Did you give your tithe? They watched it. I know it. They watched it. It was their main concern. And they didn't want the flock to give their money to another charitable, godly cause because it would take away from the tithe coming into the church. They put on them heavy burdens. They said, you gotta dress this way, you gotta have hair this way. You gotta be a part of this clique, this group. And if you don't succumb to all of the or submit to all of the different laws and regulations that we put on you, you have no part with us. I won't even talk to you. That's the way it is today in many churches. The Pharisees that we saw clearly in the New Testament are just as clearly in many of the churches today, if y'all just open your eyes. He continues in verse 33. He says, Ye serpents and vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets and wise men and scribes, and some of them ye shall kill and crucify, and some of them ye shall scourge in your synagogues and persecute them from city to city, that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zachariah, son of Baracas, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, all these things shall come upon this generation. This generation was not only the generation he was speaking to, because much of the judgment that he did spoke happened upon that Jewish generation. But spiritually, it is the generation that walks in these types of sins that will receive the damnation of hell. That means it doesn't apply to a time, it applies to a generation of people that walk in this. So to be clear and to be sure, the Pharisees were in God's eyes, serpents and vipers. And as their father was a serpent in Eden, Jesus said to them, Your father is the devil in John 8 44. They were destined to the damnation of hell. If you were blessed and appreciate listening to this podcast and you would like to support us in our efforts, consider lifting us up in prayer first. Then remember these four social media buzzwords. Share, like, subscribe, or follow. Share this podcast link with someone else by text, email, or word of mouth in the hopes that they might be uplifted as you were. Like by leaving a positive rating or review with whomever you listen to our podcast with. Subscribe to support the show monetarily with the link in our podcast description. Follow us on all our social media platforms. May God bless you and make you prosperous in Him as you listen and obey His voice.
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